Founding Fathers / Christian Nation

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Many Christians think that this is a Christian nation – it is not. It is a constitutional and secular nation. Our founders were above all, secularists. Some were deists but all were strongly opposed to mixing governement and religion. Our country is founded upon constitutional and humanistic values, not religious ones, although religious values have some shared instances with civil laws. If you believe the opposite, please research and study the issue before sounding false statements from our founding fathers. You may google “were our founding father religious” to get the truth behind our constitutional nation. The First Amendment If you think about how the framers of the Constitution wrote this great document, you would see that they granted the right of religions to flourish without governmental promotion. Why do you think the founding fathers place the establishment clause as the FIRST amendment? It’s because it was meant to be a VERY IMPORTANT statement about the separation of church and state. There are only two clauses concerning religion in the Constitution and both are in the negative. If our founding fathers wanted this nation to be sided with Christianity why didn’t they say so ANYWHERE in the Constitution. There is no mention of God, Jesus, Christianity or believing in any faith anywhere in the Constitution. The Treaty of Tripoli – Sign unanimously by the entire congress, 1797 said: “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”. A great website to show how anti-religious our founding fathers is HERE (it’s about the Treaty of Tripoli) Also see another good site here call the Great National Christian Myth Our constitution was designed to protect the minorities from the majorities. As an atheist I want to protect your freedom OF religion as much as I want other Christians to protect my freedom for no religion. In other words, I want you to have the right to believe in any religion you want as long as you give me the right to not believe in a religion. Currently atheists cannot hold office in 14 states or testify in court in 7 states. This is a direct assault on our constitution. If you think this is really a Christian Nation – would it change your mind if all of the founding fathers ratified and signed a document says the opposite? If your answer is yes, then research the Treaty of Tripoli: Article 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. If this ratified statement doesn’t convince Christians that is not a Christian nation, nothing will! George Washington also see HERE Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792; from George Seldes, ed Let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religions. George Washington skipped out before the eucharist. When the priest publicly commented on it, he quit attending those Sundays! Thomas Jefferson also see here Thomas Jefferson put “nature and nature’s god” in the Declaration of Independence. Nowhere does it say the Judeo-Christian god gave men their rights. “But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. ”  -, Notes on Virginia, 1782 “Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. “-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787 “I have recently been examining all the knows superstitions of the world, an do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature,  they are all alike, founded on fables and mythology.” “I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.” -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Pricce, Jan. 8, 1789 “I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. “-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkkinson, March 13, 1789 Thomas Paine Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins … and you will have sins in abundance. I would not dare to dishonor my Creator’s name by [attaching] it to this filthy book [the Bible]. Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind” John Adams John Adams was a member of a Unitarian church! Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, ‘this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in. October 19, 1756 Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it. John Adams, letter to his son, John Quincy Adams, November 13, 1816, The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles? John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815 As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed? John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816 I shall have liberty to think for myself without molesting others or being molested myself. John Adams, letter to his brother-in-law, Richard Cranch, August 29, 1756, explaining how his independent opinions would create much difficulty in the ministry Benjamin Franklin I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works … I mean real good works … not holy day keeping, sermon-hearing … or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing the Deity. — Benjamin Franklin If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be without it? “The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.” “Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.” -Benjamin Franklin “He [the Rev. Mr. Whitefield] used, indeed, sometimes to pray for my conversion, but never had the satisfaction of believing that his prayers were heard.” James Madison Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise….During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.” From  a letter from Madison: But besides the danger of a direct mixture of Religion & civil Government, there is an evil which ought to be guarded agst in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by ecclesiastical corporations. The power of all corporations, ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses. A warning on this subject is emphatically given in the example of the various Charitable establishments in G. B. the management of which has been lately scrutinized. The excessive wealth of ecclesiastical Corporations and the misuse of it in many Countries of Europe has long been a topic of complaint. In some of them the Church has amassed half perhaps the property of the nation. When the reformation took place, an event promoted if not caused, by that disordered state of things, how enormous were the treasures of religious societies, and how gross the corruptions engendered by them; so enormous & so gross as to produce in the Cabinets & Councils of the Protestant states a disregard, of all the pleas of the interested party drawn from the sanctions of the law, and the sacredness of property held in religious trust. The history of England during the period of the reformation offers a sufficient illustration for the present purpose. and in the same letter: The establishment of the chaplainship to Congs is a palpable violation of equal rights, as well as of Constitutional principles: The tenets of the chaplains elected [by the majority] shut the door of worship agst the members whose creeds & consciences forbid a participation in that of the majority. and If Religion consist in voluntary acts of individuals, singly, or voluntarily associated, and it be proper that public functionaries, as well as their Constituents shd discharge their religious duties, let them like their Constituents, do so at their own expence. and Better also to disarm in the same way, the precedent of Chaplainships for the army and navy, than erect them into a political authority in matters of religion. Ethan Allen Denominated a Deist, the reality of which I have never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian.” Bertrand Russel The more intense has been the religion of any period has been the dogmatic belief, the greater has been the cruelty and the worse has been the state of affairs Why I am not a Christian But Jesus was clear too. In Matthew 6 he directs to pray in private. There is no way to interpret that any other way without flat-out lying. Look it up and read it for yourself. HERE And let’s end with a little philosophy: The Riddle of Epicurus (341-271 “BC”) Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?